When it comes to cheap(ish) long-haul flying, ANA 777-300ER economy is hard to beat. I recently had the chance to try it out from San Francisco to Tokyo, and guess what? It’s still (very easily) one of the best economy class experiences in the entire world.
Legroom was phenomenal, the cabin crew treated everyone like royalty, and most importantly – I didn’t feel completely wrecked at the end of the 10 1/2 hour flight.
The food though. They’re slippin’, and that makes me sad.
NH107
San Francisco, CA (SFO) – Tokyo, Japan (HND)
Wednesday, July 12, 2023
Aircraft: 777-381ER
Registration: JA788A
Duration: 10 hours 6 minutes
Seat: 34E (Economy Class)
My full review of ANA 777-300ER economy from San Francisco to Tokyo (Haneda)
Long story short, my destination for this trip was Hiroshima. One of the most convenient ways of getting there from San Diego is on United and ANA. Unfortunately, the only transpacific flight that worked best for connections to Hiroshima was the 1:45 AM ANA flight from San Francisco to Tokyo/Haneda. Freaking ouch.
Arrival at SFO
Arriving at SFO on a United flight from San Diego at 9 PM wasn’t all that fun knowing that I had four full hours to kill before the 1:45 AM departure time to Tokyo. Making matters worse was that the airport was freezing, and I was woefully underdressed. Come on, man!
The boarding process
Thank God they kicked off the boarding process right on time. Not because I was concerned about making my connection in Tokyo, but because I was borderline unconscious due to it being way past my bedtime.
Boarding at gate G7 started precisely at 1:25 AM. I chose to wait a bit even though I could’ve boarded with group 2 (thanks to my Star Alliance gold status). I mean, there’s really no point in rushing when you know that you’ll be stuck in a middle seat for the next 10 1/2 hours.
Seat overview
Yeah, that’s right. You read it correctly. I ended up with a middle seat for this segment. It was entirely voluntary though, as I was traveling with family and I figured that it was probably unwise to be selfish.
ANA 777-300ER economy seats are pretty darn nice IMHO. Not only are the video screens massive, the leg room is Grand Canyon like. You’ll be hard-pressed to find a better economy class seat anywhere in the world.
The departure out of SFO
Getting decent footage of the departure is hard enough when you’re in a middle seat. It’s even harder when it’s 1:45 AM and you’re barely clinging to consciousness. I did what I could to get pictures (and video) for the review. And yes, we departed right on time.
In-flight entertainment
The extremely large video screens were my first indication that the entertainment system in these economy class seats was going to be good. Thankfully, the software (and diverse catalog of content) lived up to my expectations.
One of the neatest things about this in-flight entertainment system is the fact that you can pair it with your personal device. Doing so will allow you to use your personal device as a wireless remote for the screen, as well as enabling the ability to stream content. The only caveat is that you need to download the ANA app to your device before departure (which I totally forgot to do).
The first meal service
Honestly, I wasn’t expecting much for the first meal service. I know from past experience that ANA economy class food is fairly decent – but I also knew that it was unwise to expect anything significant for a flight departing at 1:45 AM.
Even though I didn’t find the tuna sandwich to be all that appealing, I appreciated the effort. Besides, I was far more sleepy than I was hungry. Food was the least of my concerns.
How comfortable are the seats for sleeping?
What better way is there to test the comfort of ANA economy class seats on a flight departing in the wee hours of the morning? I don’t typically sleep all that well in economy class, but I’m happy to report that I got around four hours worth on this flight. It wasn’t great sleep, but it was enough to prevent me from feeling like a total zombie the next day.
In summary, seat recline is fairly decent for economy class. Combined with the excellent amount of legroom, it wasn’t a half bad experience.
Cabin tour
I was starting to feel a bit restless about six hours into the flight. My middle seat was causing me to feel a bit claustrophobic as well, so getting up every now and then to walk around the cabin was a pretty good way to pass the time.
It should be noted that the ANA cabin crew was utterly fantastic throughout the entire flight. Every time I got up to walk around, I was approached by no less than three flight attendants offering water, snacks, or anything else that I needed to be comfortable. They basically bent over backwards to help. Proactively no less!
The second meal service
The cabin lights were turned on with just over two hours of flying time remaining. Minutes later, the cabin crew were pushing drink and meal carts up the aisles. They handed out large menu cards (with pictures!) to each passenger, so all you had to do was point and make your selection.
I’ll be honest: the food wasn’t all that great. It certainly wasn’t as great as what I remember ANA economy class food to be from many years ago. For comparisons sake, it was nowhere near as good as the food I had in Turkish Airlines 777-300ER economy class a while back. Just sayin’.
The descent and arrival into Tokyo
The fact that I felt mildly refreshed and somewhat energetic during the descent into Tokyo was nothing short of a miracle. I mean, the seats were good, but not good enough to make me feel like I was capable of going another five hours.
It goes without saying that I highly appreciated the external cameras for the views of the approach and landing from my middle seat.
Pros and cons of the ANA 777-300ER economy class experience
The most interesting takeaway from this experience is the fact that it was both better and worse than my last ANA long haul economy flight (10 years ago). The seat was much better than it was back then, but the food was worse. And that leads me to my full list of pros and cons:
Pros
The legroom is utterly fantastic. It’s every bit as good as some premium economy on some airlines.
The video screens are huge. Not only that, the catalog of content is excellent – and I appreciate the fact that I could connect it wirelessly to my personal device.
The flight attendants were beyond kind and helpful. It was like the kind of service you would expect in business class.
Cons
The food was surprisingly disappointing for a Japanese airline. It was essentially the same economy class slop you would get on any other carrier.
The cabin was very warm throughout much of the flight. This is saying a lot considering that I am most comfortable wearing thick hoodies year-round (even in the summer).
Scott, you’re right. That food just looks abysmal. Tuna fish sandwiches? Really? That’s a bout of food poisoning waiting to happen. And what if someone is allergic to mayo? And I can’t get over how carb-laden that “breakfast is”. A small chunk of meat…on top of rice…with noodles…accompanied by bread. And with fruit to complete the blood sugar spike and crash. That’s not even Japanese food. It’s quasi-American fast food junk. And I get it, it’s economy class but the Turkish Airlines food looks like a meal from Ruth’s Chris in comparison. Looking forward to maybe business class or better on the route home?
Yeah, for some reason or another I remember the food to be so much better on my last ANA economy flight (about 10 years ago). Maybe it was because I hadn’t yet experienced Turkish Airlines economy food at that point – which is the basis on which I judge all economy class food now. As unfair as that may be (lol).
I didn’t get a chance to try business class this time, but I did manage to score a last minute upgrade to premium economy on the HND-SFO leg. Spoiler alert: the food was just as disappointing. That review is coming soon!
Great review! I’ve only flown long-haul Economy on American, Iberia, and British Airways so far, and well, I never would have thought that the food on IB & BA (which btw is supplied by the same caterer as Turkish) is better than what you’ll get on a a reputable airline such as ANA.
Oh well. I don’t think anyone flies on a plane to eat, and it looks like ANA gets everything else (seat features, legroom, IFE, service) right.
Looking forward to the next few reviews! I’m guessing the HNDHIJ segments were also in Economy?
Thanks Peter! The thing I don’t understand about ANA is the contrast between the food they serve in first / business class and economy. From what I’ve seen, their first and business class food is arguably the best in the world. At the same time, I’ve had so many other better economy class meals on much lesser airlines. It’s weird.
Not only that, they don’t even do anything extra for premium economy (as you’ll see in my upcoming ANA 777-300ER premium economy review)! It’s the exact same food as economy class.
And yup – the HND-HIJ-HND segments were all in economy.
You’re welcome! It’s definitely weird how ANA cheaps out on the food in Economy.
Oh, and sorry to hear that they took the Lufthansa approach to Premium Economy food.
Thanks for the review! Excellent as usual. Japan is still in my wife’s and my bucket list, we’ve only been to China before Covid and that was on AA, which was very good. We have our very first trip to Europe this November to celebrate our 25th anniversary. Flying on AA (I have Platinum status and used miles) SAN-PHL-LIS then returning MAD-CLT-SAN. For the trip to Europe, we’re flying Premium Econ, then Business on the way back, gotta make sure my wife knows I appreciate 25 years of her putting up with me 🙂
BTW, I sent you an email back when I first joined your list, since I am based out of SAN and I fly, I offered to take you up for a SD Bay tour flight! Let me know 😉
Thanks Hector! Japan is like a completely different world compared to China – everything is clean, very well organized, and the people are extremely friendly. I like China too of course, but Japan is next level awesome.
That trip to Europe sounds like it’s going to be an amazing 25th anniversary celebration! The only problem is that you’re doing it all in premium cabins, and she’s going to expect that for every trip from now on. Good luck with that. 🙂
And thanks for the offer! Yeah, I still may take you up on that…
Nice review Scott! I was wondering, what would you choose between ANA and JAL’s 777/787 economy classes? I’m planning a trip up to Japan from oz for next year and can’t really see a difference between them.
Thanks Luca! Both ANA and JAL have equally good economy seats IMHO. JAL economy seats feel a bit more spacious to me, but ANA is pretty good too. That said, I would personally choose JAL for the food alone. I was shocked by how stingy ANA is getting with food on this most recent trip.
This appears to be the newer 3-4-3 configuration. I just booked the exact same itinerary you took here, partly based on this review, but unfortunately I didn’t notice until after booking that it appears to be on an older configuration plane that’s 2-4-3 and those appear to use the fixed back “pod” seats which seem to get pretty poor reviews. I’m very concerned about having a miserable experience.
Interesting. I was under the impression that all 777-300ERs have been converted into this configuration by now. Many of the 787s still have that old layout, which I’ve had the chance to experience, and it’s nowhere near as good the new config.
Is there a way that you can change your itinerary to depart from another city? I believe all ANA 77W flights out of SFO (for example) are the new configuration. It’s worth looking into…
Well I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, but the seat selector on my booked ticket clearly shows 2-4-3, and ANA’s seat configuration site shows “New 212 Seats” which is what you flew, along with “212 Seats” where it shows 2-4-3 and the link to the economy seat shows the “pod” style that doesn’t recline.
It’s an ANA flight but we booked through United and made our seat selections there at the time of booking, but oddly when I checked our reservation again, my wife has no seat assignments. No clue why. So we have to choose her seats and I guess we’ll see if we can change, but last I looked any other options were too rich for my blood.
It’s confusing for sure. FWIW, back in 2014 or so I booked a ticket on ANA through a third-party website where the seat map showed something odd like 4-1-3. Of course I chose the “1” seat thinking that I was a total genius and then I’d have a single seat all the way to Japan. It was quite the surprise when I showed up for the flight and realized that the configuration was actually 3-3-3, and that I had booked a middle seat without even realizing it.
Long story short: never trust the seat map on a third-party website (even if it’s United).
Perhaps the best way to be sure is to call ANA to confirm not only the seating configuration, but your seat assignments as well.
Of all the things to mimic here on SANspotter.com, that was a bold choice. 🙂
Honestly though, it wasn’t that bad. I highly recommend having a big meal before the flight at SFO (most restaurants are open pretty late), and then skipping the meal/snack service just after takeoff. They won’t provide much anyway.
And yes, you will feel absolutely wrecked arriving at Haneda at 4:30am. Haha!
Scott
June 24, 2024
Unfortunately the dates of our trip are constrained by my wife’s work schedule, and other flight itineraries would have us arriving in Tokyo late in the day, essentially eating up an entire vacation day. Flying the redeye would have us sleeping (hopefully) between about 2:30am to 11am Pacific time, which is not too far off my normal sleep schedule, and waking up at probably 3am Tokyo time, which is admittedly early but not like the middle of the day, and not too far off my normal 6-7am wake up time.
So at the time this seemed to be the best compromise and is why I was trying to find the most spacious/comfortable seats that my budget would allow so we could sleep, and I thought I found a winner on this 34″ pitch flight until I learned about the whole pod seat thing. Apparently ANA is currently only flying the new cabin configuration that you were on out of SFO on Saturdays.
Had to confirm my wife’s seats as mentioned above and tried to see if we could rebook or upgrade but the fare we booked does not allow changes or cancellations so we’re stuck with this 🙁 To add insult to injury, I found almost my exact itinerary (arrives in HND 30 minutes later) except the stop is in LAX instead of SFO and flying a 787-8 and it’s cheaper, but sadly that’s not an option.
Once I take my flight in October I’ll update my comments here.
Scott (SANspotter)
June 25, 2024
Sounds like you’re totally committed to this. That’s the spirit. 🙂
In all seriousness, it’s a pretty fun trip despite the unfortunate departure and arrival times. I’ll be very much looking forward to hearing how it went!
JCC
Scott, you’re right. That food just looks abysmal. Tuna fish sandwiches? Really? That’s a bout of food poisoning waiting to happen. And what if someone is allergic to mayo? And I can’t get over how carb-laden that “breakfast is”. A small chunk of meat…on top of rice…with noodles…accompanied by bread. And with fruit to complete the blood sugar spike and crash. That’s not even Japanese food. It’s quasi-American fast food junk. And I get it, it’s economy class but the Turkish Airlines food looks like a meal from Ruth’s Chris in comparison. Looking forward to maybe business class or better on the route home?
Scott (SANspotter)
Yeah, for some reason or another I remember the food to be so much better on my last ANA economy flight (about 10 years ago). Maybe it was because I hadn’t yet experienced Turkish Airlines economy food at that point – which is the basis on which I judge all economy class food now. As unfair as that may be (lol).
I didn’t get a chance to try business class this time, but I did manage to score a last minute upgrade to premium economy on the HND-SFO leg. Spoiler alert: the food was just as disappointing. That review is coming soon!
Peter
Great review! I’ve only flown long-haul Economy on American, Iberia, and British Airways so far, and well, I never would have thought that the food on IB & BA (which btw is supplied by the same caterer as Turkish) is better than what you’ll get on a a reputable airline such as ANA.
Oh well. I don’t think anyone flies on a plane to eat, and it looks like ANA gets everything else (seat features, legroom, IFE, service) right.
Looking forward to the next few reviews! I’m guessing the HNDHIJ segments were also in Economy?
Scott (SANspotter)
Thanks Peter! The thing I don’t understand about ANA is the contrast between the food they serve in first / business class and economy. From what I’ve seen, their first and business class food is arguably the best in the world. At the same time, I’ve had so many other better economy class meals on much lesser airlines. It’s weird.
Not only that, they don’t even do anything extra for premium economy (as you’ll see in my upcoming ANA 777-300ER premium economy review)! It’s the exact same food as economy class.
And yup – the HND-HIJ-HND segments were all in economy.
Peter
You’re welcome! It’s definitely weird how ANA cheaps out on the food in Economy.
Oh, and sorry to hear that they took the Lufthansa approach to Premium Economy food.
Hector Torres
Thanks for the review! Excellent as usual. Japan is still in my wife’s and my bucket list, we’ve only been to China before Covid and that was on AA, which was very good. We have our very first trip to Europe this November to celebrate our 25th anniversary. Flying on AA (I have Platinum status and used miles) SAN-PHL-LIS then returning MAD-CLT-SAN. For the trip to Europe, we’re flying Premium Econ, then Business on the way back, gotta make sure my wife knows I appreciate 25 years of her putting up with me 🙂
BTW, I sent you an email back when I first joined your list, since I am based out of SAN and I fly, I offered to take you up for a SD Bay tour flight! Let me know 😉
Scott (SANspotter)
Thanks Hector! Japan is like a completely different world compared to China – everything is clean, very well organized, and the people are extremely friendly. I like China too of course, but Japan is next level awesome.
That trip to Europe sounds like it’s going to be an amazing 25th anniversary celebration! The only problem is that you’re doing it all in premium cabins, and she’s going to expect that for every trip from now on. Good luck with that. 🙂
And thanks for the offer! Yeah, I still may take you up on that…
Luca
Nice review Scott! I was wondering, what would you choose between ANA and JAL’s 777/787 economy classes? I’m planning a trip up to Japan from oz for next year and can’t really see a difference between them.
Scott (SANspotter)
Thanks Luca! Both ANA and JAL have equally good economy seats IMHO. JAL economy seats feel a bit more spacious to me, but ANA is pretty good too. That said, I would personally choose JAL for the food alone. I was shocked by how stingy ANA is getting with food on this most recent trip.
Scott
This appears to be the newer 3-4-3 configuration. I just booked the exact same itinerary you took here, partly based on this review, but unfortunately I didn’t notice until after booking that it appears to be on an older configuration plane that’s 2-4-3 and those appear to use the fixed back “pod” seats which seem to get pretty poor reviews. I’m very concerned about having a miserable experience.
Scott (SANspotter)
Interesting. I was under the impression that all 777-300ERs have been converted into this configuration by now. Many of the 787s still have that old layout, which I’ve had the chance to experience, and it’s nowhere near as good the new config.
Is there a way that you can change your itinerary to depart from another city? I believe all ANA 77W flights out of SFO (for example) are the new configuration. It’s worth looking into…
Scott
Well I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, but the seat selector on my booked ticket clearly shows 2-4-3, and ANA’s seat configuration site shows “New 212 Seats” which is what you flew, along with “212 Seats” where it shows 2-4-3 and the link to the economy seat shows the “pod” style that doesn’t recline.
It’s an ANA flight but we booked through United and made our seat selections there at the time of booking, but oddly when I checked our reservation again, my wife has no seat assignments. No clue why. So we have to choose her seats and I guess we’ll see if we can change, but last I looked any other options were too rich for my blood.
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/travel-information/seat-map/b777-300er/
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/travel-information/cabin/b777-300er-economy-class/#anchor-y01
Scott (SANspotter)
It’s confusing for sure. FWIW, back in 2014 or so I booked a ticket on ANA through a third-party website where the seat map showed something odd like 4-1-3. Of course I chose the “1” seat thinking that I was a total genius and then I’d have a single seat all the way to Japan. It was quite the surprise when I showed up for the flight and realized that the configuration was actually 3-3-3, and that I had booked a middle seat without even realizing it.
Long story short: never trust the seat map on a third-party website (even if it’s United).
Perhaps the best way to be sure is to call ANA to confirm not only the seating configuration, but your seat assignments as well.
Scott
Oh and when I mean I booked the same itinerary as you, I meant it.
SAN > SFO departing at 7:40PM, then SFO > HND departing at 1:30AM on ANA 77W.
Scott (SANspotter)
Of all the things to mimic here on SANspotter.com, that was a bold choice. 🙂
Honestly though, it wasn’t that bad. I highly recommend having a big meal before the flight at SFO (most restaurants are open pretty late), and then skipping the meal/snack service just after takeoff. They won’t provide much anyway.
And yes, you will feel absolutely wrecked arriving at Haneda at 4:30am. Haha!
Scott
Unfortunately the dates of our trip are constrained by my wife’s work schedule, and other flight itineraries would have us arriving in Tokyo late in the day, essentially eating up an entire vacation day. Flying the redeye would have us sleeping (hopefully) between about 2:30am to 11am Pacific time, which is not too far off my normal sleep schedule, and waking up at probably 3am Tokyo time, which is admittedly early but not like the middle of the day, and not too far off my normal 6-7am wake up time.
So at the time this seemed to be the best compromise and is why I was trying to find the most spacious/comfortable seats that my budget would allow so we could sleep, and I thought I found a winner on this 34″ pitch flight until I learned about the whole pod seat thing. Apparently ANA is currently only flying the new cabin configuration that you were on out of SFO on Saturdays.
Had to confirm my wife’s seats as mentioned above and tried to see if we could rebook or upgrade but the fare we booked does not allow changes or cancellations so we’re stuck with this 🙁 To add insult to injury, I found almost my exact itinerary (arrives in HND 30 minutes later) except the stop is in LAX instead of SFO and flying a 787-8 and it’s cheaper, but sadly that’s not an option.
Once I take my flight in October I’ll update my comments here.
Scott (SANspotter)
Sounds like you’re totally committed to this. That’s the spirit. 🙂
In all seriousness, it’s a pretty fun trip despite the unfortunate departure and arrival times. I’ll be very much looking forward to hearing how it went!